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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:25 am 
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That's pretty slick man! My Garmin 20 is almost too small to justify a setup like this but would be down for a simplified one.


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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:53 pm 
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how much for a molle pouch in coyote? :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:29 pm 
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I'm too slow for them to be worth selling, it must've taken me 10 hours :lol: I was modifying the design as I go, I still have some fine tuning to do!

Hopefully I'll get better and will be able to make one in an hour.

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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:19 pm 
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ahaha well you should've take into account some search & development time for the first prototype... :lol:

jokes aside, that's an interesting design, nice work.

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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:05 pm 
Quite OK actually
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A solid attempt at a drop down pouch. The more intricate sewing must have been a killer!

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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:21 pm 
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Finding out the right order to assemble the parts is the hardest. Holy f*ck I stopped counting how many parts I had to do twice. Like the flap on the right: screwed up. ARRRRHGHH

Anyone wants to send me some patience? :lol: (Flaps here aren't sewn on the panel yet).

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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:26 pm 
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thats dope for sure!


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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:29 pm 
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Finding the right order of assembly is the hardest part, for sure! That looks really good though. Prototyping is key. I have a problem just pushing through the mistakes and then I hate the final product!

Keep it up!


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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:49 am 
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Terrible pics, but I'm excited to see this finally approaching completion so please bear with me :p

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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:23 pm 
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Looks great and seems really confortable and confy, congratulations, great work


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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:05 pm 
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Terrible pictures while I'm on my lunch break cause I wanted to :P Will take better ones if get the the occasion on call or possibly a test hike, whichever comes first (with time to spare).

Front.

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Back of the straps. A bit of velcro for reflective/glow ID (obviously for SAR it's not IR) and a bit of padding to avoid pressure points caused by buckles when worn under a pack.

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Front when opened.

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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:07 pm 
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My biggest issue (I hope I'll be able to have suggestions here :) ) is the method used to secure devices to the flip-out pouches.

It works, it's non-obstrusive (allows to use all ports, buttons, screens,...), it's easy to adapt to devices of any size/shape (within some boundaries, obviously) however it does take some time (about 1-2 min) to get a device out, swap batteries, and get it back in, depending on the device (in the above picture, the radio's shape make it easy and quick to secure. The GPS, not so much). And I don't like that it takes that long.

Does anyone have an idea for a V2 on what alternative approach I could use?

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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:35 am 
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Do you require a lot of retention when your pouches are open? (ie, are you doing anything dynamic when looking at your GPS/switching radio chanels?).
If not, I could see two retention alternatives: Velcro/3M Dual lock backing on both the pouches liner and the back of your devices, and/or a couple of velcro "one wrap" horizontal tabs in lieu of your bungee. They won't secure your devices as tightly, but that might be enough for what you'll be doing.

The other option I can see is the clear vinyl sheath, then again it will only provide limited adjustment if you intend to change your devices over time. (although you might also make some sort of adjustable vinyl "wrap" with velcro sewn on the sides that would mate with a velcro liner on the pouch itself).

On a side note, it's hard to figure out your final design on the GPS retention system. However, if you kept the original sleeve design shown before (sliding the device through the bottom portion), why don't you just make your retention cords adjustable (the red ones that hold the pouch at that 45-60° angle) so that the pouch can be completely flipped open (180° angle) when needed. That would make for a quicker way to remove the GPS unit from it's sleeve and insert it back. All you would need is a bigger length of cord and one or two cord locks.

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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:28 pm 
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jack.traven wrote:
Do you require a lot of retention when your pouches are open? (ie, are you doing anything dynamic when looking at your GPS/switching radio chanels?).

Radio, rarely. GPS, absolutely. Being able to nav in dense forests without having to get the GPS out of a pocket constantly was one of the primary justifications to work on that platform.

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If not, I could see two retention alternatives: Velcro/3M Dual lock backing on both the pouches liner and the back of your devices, and/or a couple of velcro "one wrap" horizontal tabs in lieu of your bungee. They won't secure your devices as tightly, but that might be enough for what you'll be doing.

I did add velcro the entire width/length of the flip-out panel and tried it, but I wasn't satisfied with the retention (although in retrospect the Velcro I got at the local sewing place isn't great quality, it might be worth trying again with better Velcro). I do however think it's a decent option for secondary retention.

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The other option I can see is the clear vinyl sheath, then again it will only provide limited adjustment if you intend to change your devices over time. (although you might also make some sort of adjustable vinyl "wrap" with velcro sewn on the sides that would mate with a velcro liner on the pouch itself).

A friend has the EMDOM pouch for the Garmin and has had issues with fogging/condensation between the screen and vinyl. Generally the backlight is strong enough in the shade that the condensation doesn't make it too hard to see, but when it's bright it makes the already hard to read screen even worse.

An adjustable wrap that is velcro'd to the liner but hard sewn on one/some sides to make it more secure could be an idea worth exploring.

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On a side note, it's hard to figure out your final design on the GPS retention system. However, if you kept the original sleeve design shown before (sliding the device through the bottom portion), why don't you just make your retention cords adjustable (the red ones that hold the pouch at that 45-60° angle) so that the pouch can be completely flipped open (180° angle) when needed. That would make for a quicker way to remove the GPS unit from it's sleeve and insert it back. All you would need is a bigger length of cord and one or two cord locks.

My bad on that, I do need to take better pictures :lol:

The two cords that hold the pouch open go around and attach to the buckle's webbing; they are the ones that also keep it closed tight. This allows one-handed closure.

Doing what you're suggesting would indeed make it much easier to insert a device from the bottom. I'd need to change the way the cords are setup as right now I can only have ~2 inches of slack without them getting in the way, and that isn't enough to make it lay flat. Worth thinking about too, thank you :)

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 Post subject: Re: SAR rig
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 12:05 am 
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This project has progressed, but I'm a tease so I'm not posting the updated platform itself :mrgreen:

Below is an accessory pouch I did for it. It attaches under the platform to give a bit more capacity and carry flagging tape that we need. Most guys just throw the tape on a biner on their belt or in a pouch and pull it out when needed. But in both cases, this causes great risk of having the entire roll run, which happenned to me a few times.

So I built this pouch with two built-in axis and pass-throughs for the tape. Problem solved beautifully! It leaves a bit of space for more stuff, in this case spare batteries, multitool, a Cliff and sterile gloves.

It was done in about 3-4 hours with no template, minimal planification and lots of things I just made up as I went. Pretty happy with it. I just wish I would've thought about addding belt loops before so I'd be able to use it belt-mounted as well.

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