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 Post subject: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:56 pm 
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How comfortable is an MBAV with cummerbund compared to a Maritime CIRAS or LBT PC? If deciding between an MBAV and Maritime CIRAS, and don't need a quick release, which would you choose and why?

I understand that other brands/models of carriers are preferred to any of these, but I'm just curious about how these compare. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:59 pm 
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assuming that with "LBT pc" you mean a 6094, I'd say I prefer it over the MBAV. I've used both (only for airsoft, so take it for what it's worth) and IMO it's more comfortable, gives you the ability to carry at least 3 mags and a radio without adding pouches except the kangaroo insert, plus it doesn't interfere with shouldering your rifle (mostly a small guy problem).

No experience with the MARCIRAS, but being a BA I guess it is quite more bulkier.

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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:52 pm 
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Thanks Andrew. And yes I do mean the 6094.


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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:52 pm 
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Ciras is full body armor, heavier, longer but you have more coverage against shrapnel and pistol rounds.


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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:58 pm 
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Ah, so a draw of an MBAV over a CIRAS would be shorter length like a 6094, but with more soft armor coverage. An MBAV is like an in-between of PCs and BALCS carriers.


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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:04 pm 
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No, an MBAV is going to give roughly the same coverage as a 6094 design. The difference is the soft armor inserts on the MBAV-cut armor have 'wings' on the bottom. This is great if it's just front/back since you get extra coverage, but of moderate utility with a (well-designed/fitted) ballistic cummerbund.

That being said, I run MBAV soft armor instead of SAPI-profile soft armor backers because the wings do offer more soft armor coverage for an off-center shot, and there is less of a gap in coverage than with a regular SAPI-profile soft armor package when paired with a cummerbund.


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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:10 pm 
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Cool. What do you run the MBAV soft armor in? Your new cool awesome SOFBAV? :D

I have a 6094 and I wish I could place the side armor more towards the front.

Is the comfort of a 6094 and MBAV about the same?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:21 pm 
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Yep, that or an Eagle Plate Carrier depending on the camo requirement (UCP or Multicam).

Comfort is similar, I like the way the Eagle PC/MBAV rides better than I like the 6094, and I'm not one for integrated radio pouches so that's not a benefit I can use.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:48 pm 
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IIRC, I had read an article that had come out demonstrating that plate carriers and full body armour were almost equal in the protection they offered the user. Thus an arguement is being made that for an increase in moblity that plate carriers are the wave of the future
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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:39 pm 
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This is just my input and I am not a subject matter expert. However, I have worn several different styles of armor while in the military, both deployed and stateside and duty my time in law enforcement.

I have worn the IBA, CIRAS, VelTye Hugger and LBT-6094 while in the military both overseas and stateside. I wasn't fond of the IBA at all, but it was my first real experience with armor in the military. The cons of this system are out there already. I then upgraded to a CIRAS, I loved the coverage the system offered me and it was a great improvement to the IBA. I then went with a VelTye Hugger, which I would say to this day was the lowest profile body armor I have ever worn, the agency I work for now issues custom VelTye carriers for our patrol deputies. My last armor setup in the military was an LBT-6094. I loved the weight and mobility of this setup, but it came at a cost, less body coverage....not by a lot however there was some loss of coverage. I also don't like how the 6094 has a gap in armor coverage at the front corners where the internal radio pouch is. This is not a big gap in protection, but I have learned if it can go wrong, it will go wrong when bullets fly!

As I type this, I am currently putting together my next duty vest setup. I went with a Paraclete BALCS carrier. This to me offers the best protection for my current role as a patrol deputy and K-9 handler. This is just my input and YMMV.

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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:50 pm 
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R711, please post a link to that article if you ever run across it again.

184SFS, thanks for sharing your experience. I've also heard good reports about the First Spear BALCS carrier (Siege), which manages to allow BALCS coverage and not feel as bulky.

I'm thinking that a MBAV is a nice compromise between hard plate carriers like the 6094 and BALCS carriers like the CIRAS.


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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:20 am 
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Changing the cummerbund in the 6094 wouldn't eliminate the gap in coverage?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:52 pm 
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Changing the cummerbund essentially makes it a different PC.

Side question, is the only difference between the military and LE MBAV the Velcro MOLLE?


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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:57 pm 
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B-Rad wrote:
Changing the cummerbund essentially makes it a different PC.

Side question, is the only difference between the military and LE MBAV the Velcro MOLLE?


I believe so, most companies that offer MIL/LE versions, the difference is velcro as LE requires more identification.

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 Post subject: Re: MBAV questions
PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:18 am 
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Does the MBAV accept standard magazine kangaroo shingles like the LBT-2645a?


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