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 Post subject: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:10 pm 
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I own a Land CIRAS, but am curious about the RBAV-AF (or SF for that matter). I'm wondering if there is enough difference between the Land CIRAS and RBAV to be worth the look.

So far, the biggest difference I can see if 500D cordura on the RBAV vs 1000D, thus being lighter than the CIRAS. But isn't that a tradeoff in durability?

The MOLLE real-estate between the Land CIRAS and RBAV-AF looks about the same. The -SF looks to have a little less.

At this point, it really looks to me that the difference is just between the fit and feel. I'd imagine that the RBAV might feel better since it's softer fabric and a little lighter, but again, at a tradeoff in durability?

Anyone have experience running with both? If so, was there any significant difference?

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P.S. FWIW, it would appear that my Land CIRAS does not have the plastic inside the cummerbund. Possibly taken out??


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 Post subject: Re: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:10 pm 
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I ran a BAE RBAV in Afghanistan in 2009. It holds up fine to abuse. I did have to zip tie my cummerbund together because the cable release system was prone to falling apart on me on mission. Over all I prefer the RBAV to the CIRAS but I personally think the best BALCS carrier is the first spear siege-r.

I'm an not a big fan of BALCS cut systems as I think they have no advantages to a slimmer plate carrier, which is why I am selling my first spear siege-r


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 Post subject: Re: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:54 pm 
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Thanks for the input. You mention you prefer the RBAV to the CIRAS. What is your experience with the CIRAS and was there anything in particular you felt the RBAV had over the CIRAS? Also, was it a Land or Maritime CIRAS?


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 Post subject: Re: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:28 pm 
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Well I was issued a land CIRAS but have owned a MARCIRAS in hopes of it being better.

There are several reasons why I do not like the land CIRAS. One I think the CIRAS is to heavy and bulky in design. The added weight of the 1000d does not make it any more durable than a carrier made of 500d. The cummerbund flap is to small with not enough Velcro surface area, so when you have the flap loaded with 4 mags there is tendency for the Velcro not to hold together or wear out fast. I also was not a fan of the release system pull location on the land CIRAS. Plus the CIARS does not have a inner cummerbund which makes a huge comfort difference when using the carrier for longer durations or more technical terrain.

I always thought the CIRAS was sized too large and always sized down one size. I mean a small CIRAS can take up to large plates. The CIRAS was designed in the early 2000's while the RBAV came out in 2009.

I will tell a story from when I was a private and showed up to my unit: When I had just got my RLCS it had came with both a land CIRAS and a MBAV, when I asked my tab which one to use he said "don't even open up that piece of shit CIRAS only fags in the FSC wear those"

I would not recommend a BALCS cut carrier to anyone out there besides perhaps LEO's because the cut of the vest is just too large and is not conclusive to comfort and mobility. If you want the best BALCS carrier on the market seriously take a look the the first spear siege-r, like all First Spear stuff it is a awesome piece of kit.



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 Post subject: Re: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:00 pm 
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Great input, thanks!

One thing to note though, my land CIRAS has an inner cummerbund. And I believe the Maritime CIRAS have them as well. So perhaps yours was just missing?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:10 pm 
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Andy, what year it was, that you get issued MBAV?


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 Post subject: Re: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:54 am 
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Yeah the CIRAS do have inner cummerbunds, I had a brain fart. I got mine in 2009 as a test unit. I have heard that the BAE RBAV AF and the SDS RBAV's have had some QC issues as of late. I have not seen this first hand but it might want to be something you want to research further. The one I had (RBAV-SF) was good to go. my only real compliant was that the soft armor panels fit a little tight in it but I guess that is menial in the scheme of things.


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 Post subject: Re: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:14 pm 
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I've now had a chance to do a quick compare an RBAV-SF and MC-CIRAS in person. The weight difference is definitely noticeable when lifting and wearing, without armor, which was as expected. With soft and hard armor in though, the weight difference is less noticeable, but probably is more so after wearing for a long period.

From the short time I wore each, both worked very well and neither seemed so much better than the other, but I would say that the RBAV seemed slightly less restrictive, as I was expecting considering the different Cordura weights and possible improvement in design.

A couple small things. I had to adjust both to fit me and I found the land CIRAS much easier to adjust the cummerbund. And I found the it slightly easier to don and doff, to which I attribute to the smaller front flap and overlapping cummerbund design. It took slightly less effort to lift the flap and pull one side out, and also to line up the Velcro when setting the cummerbund in place. It was practically effortless. With the RBAV, it look more effort, especially to line up the Velcro. It reminded me of my experience with the IOTV overseas.

My opinion, just from this initial impression, if someone owns a land CIRAS, it really isn't worth it to scrap it for an RBAV-SF. And unless you need more MOLLE area, there isn't a functional reason I can think of to get a CIRAS instead of an RBAV-SF, and the -AF has more MOLLE which might be a better option.

Again, all this just from first impressions.

I really want to try out a MAR-CIRAS now though.


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 Post subject: Re: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:27 pm 
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sua175 wrote:
I have heard that the BAE RBAV AF and the SDS RBAV's have had some QC issues as of late. I have not seen this first hand but it might want to be something you want to research further.


What kind of QC issues?
Have an RBAV-SF and I don't want it to fall apart. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:27 pm 
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SDS has always had meh lowest-bidder-style stitching, materials and overall quality. Not too terrible, but not stellar either.

With that said I did vastly prefer my RBAV-SF over the Land CIRAS I've had.

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 Post subject: Re: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:18 pm 
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I'm curious, what was it about the RBAV-SF that you liked over the land CIRAS?


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 Post subject: Re: Eagle Land MC-CIRAS vs BAE RBAV-AF
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:00 pm 
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Mine is from BAE Eclipse Line.
What about the quality of the BAE Eclipse Line of RBAV-SF?


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