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 Post subject: Re: History of Armor Carrier development
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:37 pm 
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Looks like a 1st Gen CIRAS for sale!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eagle-Industrie ... 2a3f7cc62f


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:39 pm 
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That's really cool. Early MJK seem very close to Coyote Brown.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:47 pm 
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I do not think there was any early MJK.
MJK has been pretty much khaki all along.
This vest was CB as it was the colorway requested for FSBE II.
Only later on did they issue two different color alternatives.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:09 pm 
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AFAIK first FSBE II stuff is from 04/05, contrary to first DG-MLCS that was MJK and came in 02/03. I have some DG-MLCS pouches and they are more brown than khaki.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:24 pm 
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Looking over the old SFLCS list, when an MBAV is outfitted with a cummerbund, it really seems to replicate the function of a CIRAS (or RBAV-SF), just without a quick release, or is there more to it?

Side note, were SF in the mid-2000s seen more wearing MBAVs or the CIRAS?

FWIW, I found an old conversation where former SF were talking about when the Mar CIRAS were first issued. They made mention of not knowing why the SF were issued the Mar CIRAS over other armor carriers, only that they remember 7th Group specifically ordering them, and then 20th getting some as well afterwards. The rest was history.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:37 pm 
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in my experience, 07-08, there were more ciras than mbav. but, thats not always the case. i have a picture of some friends circa 2003 in iraq with wearing a sotech callahan and a blackhawk crch - both dudes from 10th SFG.

same time frame 07-08 there were a few paraclete rav's floating around in smoke green and khaki/tan color with SF guys.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:45 am 
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Great info horsefighting, thanks for sharing!

I imagine in the early 2000s there wasn't much uniformity of armor carriers. It seems to me it was a time of testing out what worked and what didn't.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:26 am 
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Units also purchased and used what they could get in time for deployments, which also explains those various mix & match of equipments in the early OIF/OEF years

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:57 pm 
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I seem to recall on eBay a khaki Releasable Plate Carrier with NSN that I don't remember being a CIRAS. It didn't have the big Eagle tag with CIRAS written out. It had a little tag and said Releasable Plate Carrier, if memory serves. I remember it being simple like a MBAV.

Anyone know what that was?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:48 pm 
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Was like this one?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:06 pm 
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Yeah, that's probably it, thanks!

From that thread, it looks like a design that just didn't make it off the ground. Probably evolved into the SOFBAV.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:08 pm 
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Nope, this didn't become the SOFBAV. This is another beast entirely. Not sure why Eagle made it, or why they're pushing it so hard, but it's kind of mediocre.


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