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 Post subject: Re: History of Armor Carrier development
PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:43 am 
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this is supposedly the "experimental CIRAS" tested by NSW:

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:26 pm 
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I'm not too sure this was an experimental NSW CIRAS, as it really looks like the short lived 1st gen Land CIRAS that went to USMC.
Here's some scans I had made from a japanese magazine around '03.
http://eswat.free.fr/pics/ciras1stgen.jpg
http://eswat.free.fr/pics/eagle-1.jpg
http://eswat.free.fr/pics/eagle-2.jpg
http://eswat.free.fr/pics/eagle-3.jpg
http://eswat.free.fr/pics/eagle-4.jpg

as you can see on the first pic, the prototype CIRAS was really only a copy of Paraclete's RAV. I actually got conctacted by Tim D'annunzio on LF Forums after posting that, as he was willing to pay a small fortune to get the actual vest in order to start his copyright infringement lawsuit.
I'm pretty certain the CIRAS you showed above pop up about 6 months afterwards...

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AFAIK, those guys above are USMC Det1 with proto FSBE2 gear, not SEALs/NSW dudes.

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Frankly I've never followed too much discussions about NSW gear; I posted that more to ask for a confirmation rather than making a statement. so yeah, I guess i was wrong.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:29 pm 
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BTW I have that DET-1 FLC and it is also direct copy of Paraclete FLC except with padded shoulders.


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Sounds like Paraclete is the real innovator of our current armor carrier design? That companies like Eagle, SDS, LBT, Safariland and Mayflower were just following in their footsteps?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:09 am 
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LBT was one of the first company to offer plate carriers as we know today, even before all the MOLLE stuff. They followed their own way without giving too much attention to the SPEAR soft armor system and produced the father of most modern days carriers (ie the 6094).

About paraclete, they did produce one if the first releasable vest, but a good part of the design was inspired by customized PBPV armor and AWS vests (I believe Tim produced some of the AWS designs before founding his own company)

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Excuse my ignorance, but is Tim the founder of LBT?

So, modern plate carrier design evolved from LBT? That's quite a legacy for them.


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Tim (D'Annunzio) is the founder of Paraclete.


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Thanks, and I need to read the posts more slowly. I see now where Le Chtit switched gears from LBT to Paraclete.


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 Post subject: Re: History of Armor Carrier development
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I may be wrong, but I believe that helo doorgunners wore something very similar to a plate carrier during the Vietnam war. They were not used in a "tactical" fashion though.

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You are right, there was option to wear these plates alone or in soft armor carrier.


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Looking at an SFLCS list, I noticed a Maritime CIRAS listed as well as a plate carrier with cummerbund and sewn in soft armor. Am I correct to assume that the plate carrier is an MBAV?

In current SFLCS lists, am I correct to assume the MAR-CIRAS has been replaced with the RBAV-SF? And what, if anything, replaced the MBAV?

Also, are SFLCS kits still being issued in Khaki, or are they now Multicam? And if Multicam, what year did SFLCS kits started being issued in Multicam?


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Correct.
Apparently.
MBAV has been replaced in SOFLCS kits by Crye AVS and Eagle SOFBAV.


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 Post subject: Re: History of Armor Carrier development
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Thanks Danny!

I'd imagine that the RBAV is gone from the SFLCS all together because of the SOFBAV.


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