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 Post subject: What kind of CELOX to choose?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:21 pm 
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Greetings!

I am in the process of gathering medical material for my 1st aid kit and I
were wondering what kind of haemostatic to include.
I am among CELOX powder in pouch and trauma gauze but I am not sure
what would be better and/or easier to use in minor to medium wounds like
cuts from branches, broken glasses, maybe knives (skin wounds not internal).
I use to go hiking and biking but I need the kit to be ready for other cases
like road accidents or home accidents.

I am a certified first aid provider (first aids and BLS/AED) as well as
fire fighting and rescue certified.
I have never work with CELOX and I don't really know its properties and
capabilities (like the amount of agent needed for certain expanse and depth
wounds).

Thank you for your time and valuable help in advance!


PS.
I searched the forum for similar topics and found only 1 reference in CELOX
that didn't cover me.


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 Post subject: Re: What kind of CELOX to choose?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:11 pm 
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My advice is to refrain from using something you have no training or experience with.

Remember that hemostatic agents are meant to be used on life threatening bleeds, in cavitites created by GSW's. That is how the development started.

For the injuries you have described I would stick with normal or israeli field/pressure dressings, kerlix for packing injuries, elastic bandages for added pressure, a touniquet for amputations.

Again making sure you have the proper training to use this equipment properly.

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 Post subject: Re: What kind of CELOX to choose?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:30 pm 
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I haven't used it much( gauze ) but the powder can cause problems if miss used.
I think it's a last resort.
Elevate
Pressure
TQ
Quickclot
That's the order I was tought.


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 Post subject: Re: What kind of CELOX to choose?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:38 pm 
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Please confirm or deny..
CELOX causes burns while QuickClot not.


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 Post subject: Re: What kind of CELOX to choose?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:57 pm 
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Quick Clot powder hemostat causes burns, CELOX does not.


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 Post subject: Re: What kind of CELOX to choose?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:18 pm 
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The problem with the use of these agents in any form is that
I am not trained to use them and that as far as I know there
is no organisation or service that uses them here in Greece.
I will have to speak with doctors and try to find training videos.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:13 pm 
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mirrage I would not recommend to use a haemostatic agent if not properly trained. And remember that if you use granulate, those who have to remove it have to be trained as well. Furthermore I would not try to teach it myself, you will not know if everything you need to know (puddled blood, location, holding, etc. etc.) is being taught in e.g. a video.

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 Post subject: Re: What kind of CELOX to choose?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:42 pm 
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I didn't make my self clear...I will speak to Greek doctors in order to see if they know how to use-remove these agents.Then according to what they will say I will try to find a training aid.
I have a friend who is a surgeon and an another one who is an anaesthesiologist.
I wouldn't use something without prior training or experience.


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 Post subject: Re: What kind of CELOX to choose?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:22 am 
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mirrage wrote:

I am not trained to use them and that as far as I know there
is no organisation or service that uses them here in Greece.


I think you have answered your own question.

FWIW Im in iraq and I dont have it.

In the Army we used hemcon, I have heard bad stories about Quik Clot.

Be safe 8)

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 Post subject: Re: What kind of CELOX to choose?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:43 am 
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I have heard bad stories for these things too and that's why
I needed other users opinion before I buy anything.

Thank you all once again for being so helpful and explanatory!


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Ive heard new Nuke Studio coming late 2014, I wonder what kind of hardware should I have to support new Nuke and how much cost new Nuke if I dont have the latest version NukeX?

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