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 Post subject: Re: Airframes in the U.S. military?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:09 pm 
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Because the forum rules say so:
§20 - Make sure you do not violate PERSEC/OPSEC when posting. All images / urls depicting or containing un-edited names, faces, callsigns or nametags of MIL, LE or Govt. personell need to be edited and blurred out/blacked out. Also make sure to PERSEC and remove/XXXXXXXX in the captions for the images. This also goes for deceased servicemen and women. Tattoos should when visible be blurred/blacked out as they are about as unique as a face. The purpose of PERSEC is to render the face and any other unique parts un-identifiable by any third party seeking to positively ID the person pictured.

Moreover because this very person is not saying anywhere in the article you posted, or anywhere else for that matter, where he was assigned, so I'm inclined to believe he doesn't need our help in divulging his background in the open (this is rhetorical, I actually know that one for sure).

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:56 am 
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danneskjold wrote:
Just taking a guess but I would also imagine that Ops-Core is going to be better able to field the numbers required by Ranger Regiment than Crye would.


The ROC conducted the test, I read the report, and regiment choose the opscore over the crye due to performance as stated above, not logistical reasons. I am not aware of the report being publicly available. I read this back in 2011 if memory serves me right so my memory might not be completely accurate but I am 100% that the opscore was chosen due to superior performance in relation to concussions.


While Green was a early adopter of the crye, I think they are now rocking the opscore. As far as seeing other SOF units with the Crye, remember that some dudes will come out of pocket for personal gear that they prefer.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:25 am 
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sua - I've heard the same thing about Green from dudes in the know. Given that HRT now uses Ops Core and the amount of cross-pollination, I'd say it's a safe bet that Ops Core is the current standard. I haven't seen any data from 75th, but there are a couple of reports floating around about concussion/terminal performance for the ballistic helmets. None that I can share (I don't have them + classification issues), and I'd be hard pressed to remember more than the abstract, but your comments got me thinking about it and I remember our flight doc and I discussed them.


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 Post subject: Re: Airframes in the U.S. military?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:51 pm 
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so there is not one unit in the US military that using airframes?
found this picture today, it was writen in the description that it is a devgru operator
not sure if its really devgru and the airframe might be a private purchase...


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I won't say that there are no more users, but I've heard and witnessed its popularity wane.


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Something I have always gotten a kick out of is one of the early articles on Crye Associates featured a super early prototype Airframe.

I remember Caleb saying that due to the design of the shell (2 pieces) it was easier to make because there was less complex folds in the material and that it would also be substantially cheaper.

I don't know anything about manufacturing helmets, but I will see if I can dig up the article.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:00 pm 
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I recall reading that about the manufacturing process too danneskjold. Probably back about 2011 or 12 is when I read that someplace.


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But why a unit like FBI HRT or CAG would adapt the airframe, without testing both helmets, like the rangers did and only after some years switch to ops cores?

Also doHRT and CAG they use the normal ops core version or the maritime cut?
If they use the maritime cut, I can imagine that this is the reason why they switched.

Regarding the rangers. Isnt SOCOM responsible for deciding in regard of gear for the ranger regiment?
I remember a while ago it was written that SOCOM purchased the helmets...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:18 am 
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I still stand by my belief that the apparent standardization to Ops-core for Rangers had more to do with manufacturing capabilities and politics, since Gentex owns Ops-core, and shells manufactured by Ceradyne, the company providing the new ECHs.


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desert_eagle wrote:
But why a unit like FBI HRT or CAG would adapt the airframe, without testing both helmets, like the rangers did and only after some years switch to ops cores?


What makes you think they wouldn't have tested both helmets?
For all we know, by the time they adopted the AF, maybe the OC option wasn't what it is today (the maritime HB80 version came in relatively long after the original HB26 FAST).
Maybe the AF development was part of a gov/industry contract leading to a supply agreement, hence the purchase.
Maybe there were other factors than pure impact protection performance when they opted for the AF, which are now considered less important after extensive use on the field...
Or, maybe a little bit of all the above.

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I remember seeing a photo and reading a story about a Delta guy who took an AK round to his Airframe in 2008. I believe the helmet is at CPs HQ in Brooklyn. Probably posted on Lightfighter but I can't be assed to dig it up.

I also think I read/heard something about the Airframes not passing a crush test. It could have been related to the Norwegian helmet procurement, but I'm not sure.

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That picture was posted here too ;)

The failed crush test was part of a US Army evaluation, although I can totaly see other military organizations performing the same kind of test and finding the same results.

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I've seen SF guys wearing it in 2012. Only 1 or 2 so probably private purchase.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:47 am 
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@essal:

The Airframe was never tested for the norwegian helmet trials.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:53 pm 
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essal wrote:
I remember seeing a photo and reading a story about a Delta guy who took an AK round to his Airframe in 2008. I believe the helmet is at CPs HQ in Brooklyn. Probably posted on Lightfighter but I can't be assed to dig it up.

I also think I read/heard something about the Airframes not passing a crush test. It could have been related to the Norwegian helmet procurement, but I'm not sure.


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