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 Post subject: Airframes in the U.S. military?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:56 pm 
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Anyone know how wide of distribution Airframes are getting in the U.S. military? And any feedback on how it's performing outside the wire?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:39 pm 
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It's still limited to SOF for the most part. Most commands outside SOF won't bless off on non-standard ballistic helmets.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:30 pm 
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I wonder how it is performing compared to the FAST. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:59 pm 
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There's been quite a few discussions here about those two helmets and their respective merits & flaws ;)

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I understand that Jack, but I'm interested in what the "troops" think of the Airframe now that they've put it through it's paces down range. I didn't recall that kind of discussion here except for just initial impressions and basic use comparisons.


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Then you pretty much got to find one of the users, and just ask.
However, users of the Airframe are rare as a sparkling unicorn, so I doubt that you'll get some first hand impressions from any US Mil guys..

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:05 pm 
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That's what I've been wondering, is if the Airframe is seeing any major use in the U.S. military. Sounds like not, even in the SOF units. The Aussies, on the other hand, seem to have adopted it if you take the number of pictures on the web of their special troops wearing them.

Many here seem so knowledgeable on gear being used in the USSOF community, I was hoping feedback on the Airframe use and function in a war zone had made it back to the ears of anyone here.

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SOCOM has started to shy away from the airframe. When 75th did their testing on helmets to determine which one to buy, the Opscore won due to performance with regards to concussions. I think that the crye under performed both the MICH and the Opscore when it came to concussions. If memory serves me right they all had about the same ballistic capability.


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I would have thought (uneducated of course) that the Airframe would have been better possibly allowing shockwaves to escape through the gap. Possibly it also allowed more in? Interesting. Is there any official release in that study available to read?

But in short is sounds like the Rangers evaluated the Airframes and stuck with the FAST.


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but if the airframe is performing so bad compared to other helmets, why delta adopted it?
Because of the cool look? :D

I saw also pictures of MARSOC operators wearing airframe

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Just taking a guess but I would also imagine that Ops-Core is going to be better able to field the numbers required by Ranger Regiment than Crye would.

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danneskjold wrote:
Just taking a guess but I would also imagine that Ops-Core is going to be better able to field the numbers required by Ranger Regiment than Crye would.


that's actually a pretty good argument and not only required by the rangers, but also for other units in SOCOM.

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Perhaps the Gentex "acquisition" of Ops-core is what allowed the FAST to meet production requirements for the military?


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it makes sense: if we look, we will see that the few units that have airframe are smaller units, like Delta and FBI HRT

btw I also think the German KSK uses the airframe


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I think this is a promo shot (KSK).
Meanwhile it looks like HRT switched to FASTs.

Re the AF, it's been acknowledged for a few years that there was a structural integrity flaw with a certain crush test, mainly due to the half-shells design, if memory serves. How it translates into soldier survivability, I do not know.
As for why OC would outperform CP on gov contracts, there's probably a quantity of differents variables thrown in the mix, ie ballistic tests (although I believe they both use the same hybrid solution, but I could be wrong), head coverage, price and delivery lead time.

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