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 Post subject: Re: German Police/Law Enforcement (BKA, SEK, GSG9)
PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:21 pm 
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They look pretty similar to me, and the black material could be a "combat shirt" version of the full suit. The thigh pockets look pretty similar and the fact that it was made for an Euro customer wouldn't surprise me.

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 Post subject: Re: German Police/Law Enforcement (BKA, SEK, GSG9)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:51 am 
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Police of Lower Saxony and SEK (not sure)...

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Does anyone know if these guys are SEK or GSG9? Looks more GSG9 to me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:47 am 
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jack.traven wrote:
Doubt that, the Arc' coverall has been around for a while as a prototype (heck, I got one in wolf myself), but this definitely looks like a clone, especially when looking at the shirt (black torso material, forearm zip pockets) or the crye field style double thigh pockets on the pants, all of which you won't find on actual Arc' garments.
Also, I could be wrong, but having worked with Arc'teryx for a while, they don't do much as far as SMUs (special make ups), especially for small units.
What we're looking at looks more to me like a eastern european version of Arc's combat garment (think UF Pro or the likes)


But i don't think that UF Pro would copy any styles from other manufacturers. Their "Striker XT" design is very successful in Europe and the SEK Nuremberg has purchased complete Striker XT sets for their team.

@all: The operators in the pictures from Munich are from SEK Südbayern (Munich). Not the GSG9.

@nucklehead: They guy on the left in the upper picture is a SEK Operator and the guy on the right is GSG9, all operators in the lower picture are GSG9.


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 Post subject: Re: German Police/Law Enforcement (BKA, SEK, GSG9)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:44 pm 
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@Technoviking: yeah, I mentionned UF Pro as it was the first who came to mind, but I was thinking about all that eastern european production we don't necessarly hear much about.
Your confirmation that it's an SEK makes it even more certain to me that it's not an Arc' product we're seeing on those pictures (just for the sheer fact that it's highly unlikely that they would build a specific product for just a few dozen users).
Again, could be wrong. I'm sure someone will have the final word on this!

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 Post subject: Re: German Police/Law Enforcement (BKA, SEK, GSG9)
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:01 am 
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The prototype MC Sphinx shirt I got had black torso material.

Not familiar with that specific context, jack is much more knowledgeable than me; just saying that non-matching (black) torso isn't shocking to me for Arc'Teryx stuff.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:15 am 
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I'm not very familiar with Arc'teryx stuff, but i think that the SEK would definetely not purchase anything of low quality as their standards are very high. So i guess they wouldn't wear (cheap) copies instead of the "real thing".
@jack.traven: Are you sure that Arc'teryx wouldn't produce smaller series of gear if the right price was offered to them?


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 Post subject: Re: German Police/Law Enforcement (BKA, SEK, GSG9)
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:44 am 
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@Conker: true. But mismatched prototypes are just that, meaning they don't end up being worn by all the guys who happen to be at the same place at the same time... at least not on this side of the ocean, and not with Arc ;) We're looking at issued items right there. Besides, the time-line doesn't add up. This is the first time we're seeing those garments and that particular color on a SEK, so chances are high that this is brand new. Meanwhile standard Arc' Combat garments have been out for about a year, with no plans to revamp them in any near future. I don't see them already derailing from their production to work on a super small procurement, moreover with interim fixes like this black torso material when they can offer matching color fabrics (although this could be explained by specific performance requirements).

@Technoviking: The thing is, as with any company they could definitely build you a single unique piece of clothing if you paid them enough money. But if you want to stay within reasonnable price boundaries with what's considered low quantities, Arc'teryx won't be your go-to company. They just have too many things going on with standard line products and specific runs of discontinued items. Just to get them to modify a velcro placement or shape is crazy complicated, so new pants & shirt design... Heck, their special projects that I'm aware of for Police in Europe over the last few years could be counted on one finger, and that wasn't even for a tac unit! The only guys who get around that are Vancouver PD, because they got home advantage.

Finally, they can just do what you think they wouldn't and wear cheap equipment, or copycats. I'm not passing on any judgment nor do I mean any disrespect, almost everybody does that one way or another, especially in Europe when it comes to overpriced US equipment. Looking at their el cheapo AOR2 helmet covers is a good indicator ;)

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 Post subject: Re: German Police/Law Enforcement (BKA, SEK, GSG9)
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:54 am 
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@jack.traven: Well, as i already said, i don't know much about Arc'teryx, but what you say seems reasonable.
Yeah, those helmet covers are definetely cheap copies, i know them. But i think a helmet cover is a part where you wouldn't always need the highest quality. But seeing it from the perspective you mentioned, even the Uniforms might be cheaper stuff or at least copies.


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 Post subject: Re: German Police/Law Enforcement (BKA, SEK, GSG9)
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:09 am 
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To me they don't look like something coming from Arc'teryx, some things just don't add up. The black torso material, zipper pockets on the forearms, and none of it really screams Arc'teryx other than the knee pad design, which could just be a copy. Plus, Arc'teryx has been having a hell of a time producing their new Assault uniforms in Ranger Green, very little stock has been trickling out recently with the bulk of it still in production. So I can't imagine them pushing forward an alternate version with a different torso material and other changes ahead of that.

Arc'teryx can however do special projects and custom runs. Minimum numbers are a thing, I believe it has to be at least 30 or 40 pieces, and has a 60 day lead time (at minimum I believe). Those numbers may have changed or I may be a little off, it has been almost a year since our rep told us this. VPD probably doesn't get around it as much as you might think, their ERT team has one or two hundred sets of the Assault AR uniform on request in Black that won't be available until April/May, and it was originally requested back around October or November I believe.

With Arc'teryx almost anything is possible if you have the budget for it, but as Jack said might not always be the best to go to as they certainly have a lot on their plate, especially with the upcoming release of their 2016 line...


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 Post subject: Re: German Police/Law Enforcement (BKA, SEK, GSG9)
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:37 am 
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What Southpaw just said.

Got some intel back from Germany, the pants were made by a local manufacturer/distributor (not sure whether I'm at liberty to disclose who though so I'll refrain from it). The top is indeed from UF Pro, appears to be an older project.
All in all, no cheap stuff, that's the most important part.

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 Post subject: Re: German Police/Law Enforcement (BKA, SEK, GSG9)
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:30 pm 
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All right guys, so it's not Arc'teryx...but it still surprises me that the shirts are UF Pro because i've never seen black torso material on their shirts either.
@jack.traven: Is that mysterious manufacturer having own product lines in Europe/Germany already?


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 Post subject: Re: German Police/Law Enforcement (BKA, SEK, GSG9)
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:52 pm 
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never mind, overread a comment above.

On another note, I was wondering why overall stock of dirty bird items have been so low anywhere I look. Any info?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:13 pm 
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@technoviking: yes, they already have quite a few things going on, they've been around for a while now.

@Racoon1290: not sure if there's a specific reason. Could be they have contracts/tender to fulfill, hence the low stocking volumes with retailers. This or retailers may have lowered their orders to avoid overstocks and aggressive sales on expensive and fast rotating line-ups.

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Some items have just recently been discontinued as their new 2016 line will be replacing them, Atom LT and SV's, as well as RHO base layers (regular not LTW AFAIK), are just a couple I can remember off the top of my head.

But also Arc'teryx has just been having very little stock on their own end, so it has been hard for retailers to get what they want. But also similar to Jack said, the 2016 line will be available in just a couple more weeks I believe, so retailers may be avoiding bringing in old stock, especially less popular products, in order to make room for the new line.


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