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 Post subject: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:10 pm 
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I've been hiking for several years in the winter, but usually it was either day hikes or I was sleeping in cabins. Next week, I'll be on a 4-days (3 nights) hike, sleeping outside.

Forecasts show that it should be fairly warm for this time of the year (-5 celcius) with light snow, but it could very well drop down to -30 celcius.

I'll be carrying the MSS sleep system (black bag/green bag/goretex bivvy bag) and as we'll be walking around 15km/day, I do not expect to have the time to build a quinzee or similar shelter that requires a lot to wait for the snow to settle.

This is a low-altitude (on average, around 3000ft) mountainous, forested terrain. I haven't been able to find an accurate number, but there should be at very least 1m of snow on the ground... probably more. We'll be snowshoeing so no skis available to build a structure.

tl;dr: Any tips or recommendations for snow shelters?

EDIT: Also, how should I deal with boots and various clothing? I can't really throw everything in the bottom of the sleeping bag to keep them warm...

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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:09 am 
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I've never slept outside during the winter without a tent, but Coldskills.com have a good guide:
http://www.coldskills.com/pub_docs/file ... _del_2.pdf

Too bad it's just in Swedish, their English version was much shorter covering just the frost bites. You could Google Translate it from page 14 "Vila och sömn" (Rest and sleeping) and on.


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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:04 am 
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Why not bring a tent? If you have no experience in building a proper snow shelter it is potentially very dangerous, and no quick internet lesson will provide that experience.

If the area is woodland, I would build something like this:

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or this:

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Build a fire, with a proper reflector and you are good to go. Just remember to dig down to the ground. Not nearly as dangerous as using snow. Digging in is sort of a last resort unless you actually know what you are doing.

For clothing, just stuff what you are not wearing inside the sleeping bag compression sack.


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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:44 pm 
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Hey Conker,

How much snow are we talking about? Snow caves do a lot to prevent wind and snow is actually a pretty good insulator.

Unless you know you have enough snow though I wouldn't recommend using a make-shift shelter, a 4 season tent is the way to go.

I've recently gone through all this as well as I'm expecting to do a lot more winter packing with my current schedule, although I'm looking at camping in the SE US where temps aren't going to drop too much below 0C.

I have been planning a trip to iceland at some point though so I have been buying some gear for that. I recent;y bought a Hilleberg Nallo that came with many many recommendations, and I'll be giving it a try next weekend at Grayson Highlands National Park.


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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:48 pm 
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@AGR: The issue is that being in a National Park, I can't really cut down anything, nor can I make a fire :| Had I been in a forest where I can cut branches, that would've definitely been a good way.

I should've mentionned though that I'm in a group of 11 people. We do have a cabin, but with sleeping space for 6. In case of emergency, I could always sleep on the table or something inside.... or convince one of the ladies to let me sleep with her :lol:

@Frogfish: I do know I will have more than enough snow, since the beginning of the season there has been about 4 meters of snowfall in that area.
And please keep us updated about your Iceland trip, that's in my short/mid-term todo list so other people's experiences will definitely help me plan my own :)

As it was fairly cold yesterday (about -20 celcius), I decided to make a test in my backyard. I dug a hole in which I could crawl that covered me up to my shoulders; as I hadn't let the snow settle, I didn't want to risk having anything over my head. I slept with the 3 pieces of the MSS and nothing but my (merino) underwear. I threw my L7 top/pants under me for additional insulation from the snow (I did not use a mattress) and to keep them warm. Other than cold feet, it was fairly comfortable. That should be easy to solve with a bottle of warm water at the bottom of my sleeping bag. I kept my boots warm by putting a Nalgene bottle of warm water inside them.

The biggest issue I had, and I'm hoping someone has ideas on that: snow. Light wind kept blowing snow in my face, and if it was a stronger wind... I'm pretty sure it could've filled the exposed part of the trench (aka my face) overnight.

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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:05 pm 
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what about wearing a balaklava? (not covering up your nose, ice build-up etc)

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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:17 pm 
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Just close gtx cover over your head, you won't suffocate, I slept like this many times.


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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:19 pm 
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What i would suggest is building a snow shelter. You just need 2 poncho's, some paracord or elastic cords, 2 hiking poles, or just simple stick's, and 4 snow rackets or tent stakes.

You just need to dig a little bit, so 3 people can fit inside laying down, and put the poncho on top with the hiking poles, make it stable with the elastic cords and stakes, and you will have a perfect shelter.

Here is a photo so you can understand it better.

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Thats at work, but as you can see it is not complicated to build, with bare hands. It takes 3 guys barely 1h to build it up, and it is the best option if you have snow enough for it.

If you need more photos or info just let me know.

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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:31 pm 
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Keep in mind that having a flat roof will cause issues if it starts to snow.


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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:56 pm 
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Yes offcourse. That was a day with no risk of snow, if there is any probability that it will snow, just put a paracord between the hiking poles, and make the poncho look like a normal tent, in a triangular shape so that snow does not get stucked up there.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:23 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:39 am 
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Looks like a cozy setup LORD_SEX. And no issues with having to wait for snow to settle... I like that. Definitely an option if we're a few people sleeping like that. I assume that if the snow is deep enough, digging in instead of building up will do pretty much the same thing?

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Just close gtx cover over your head, you won't suffocate, I slept like this many times.

No issues with moisture?

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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:08 am 
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Yes there will be an issue with moisture. Never breath inside your sleeping bag or bivvy bag.

Just cinch the bag tight, wear a hat and breath through the small hole.


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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:42 pm 
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I'm kinda lazy. I just bring Jerven Thermo Kingsize bag and 3season sleeping bag all year around. String the jerven up with some para, stuff everyting in it, stuff yourself in it and your sleeping like a baby within minutes :p

Temp dropped down to under -25c this weekend and we where the oppisite of freezing. We even made a bed of foliage for more space for activities :D

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Not saying this is the best approach, but it workes for me :)

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 Post subject: Re: Snow shelters
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:57 pm 
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Conker wrote:
Looks like a cozy setup LORD_SEX. And no issues with having to wait for snow to settle... I like that. Definitely an option if we're a few people sleeping like that. I assume that if the snow is deep enough, digging in instead of building up will do pretty much the same thing?


Yeah, i have slept like this many times, and works great, fast to build, and you can sleep in groups of 3. If there is snow enough you just need to dig, but i allways prefer to have the poncho on top, as this way there is less risk the roof will colapse or fall.

Also, we put our backpacks on the entrence blocking it, this way they work as a door. And remember to put a shovel inside with you in case it snows and the entrence gets full of snow.

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