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 Post subject: Hazard4 Evac Recon Pack
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:34 pm 
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I've been a pretty avid photographer for quite a few years now, and have for the most part found regular daypacks and my standard Lowepro camera bag sufficient for the tasks I've set out on. However, I've found that I needed something better when out slaying dragons.

Both of the aforementioned methods of carry have specific issues in this setting.
Whilst the Lowepro and your other cookiecutter camera bags offers sufficient protection, it is neither tacticool nor very practicool.
The daypack option is more than sufficiently tacticool but you can throw as much clothing and padding in there as you'd like, short of using the pack to carry a proper camera bag you're running the risk of damaging both camera and optics as soon as you carry anything except the camera in there.

And this, is where the Hazard4 Evac Recon Sling comes into the picture.

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Hazard4 has made it their mission to develop load carrying equipment for operators, photographers and journalists on the front lines.
Their product line currently features go-bag style camera bags, messenger bags, MOLLE pouches, misc. utilities, apparel. Watches are also supposed to be coming soon.

Originally I was looking at the Evac Rocket Sling, but found that I was likely to wear it over a BA or plate carrier and an internal hydration compartment would be unnecessary bulk, and that modularity would serve me a lot better than larger fixed pockets.
Thus, I landed on the Evac Recon Sling.
It features three external pockets, two of which feature organizers for small doo-dads along with writing materials.



On the front it has one larger general purpose pocket with two horizontal velcro strips on the face of the pack to accomodate a pistol holster, or in my case a Maxpedition doo-dad holder. On the inside of the flap it has an organizational space, partly in mesh, and partly in plain fabric.

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In addition, further up the front it has a smaller GP-pocket with velcro on the front. There is also velcro on the upper two PALS rows on the large pocket.

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The right side of the pack features three columns of PALS webbing throughout 80% of it's length, along with a small pocket that amongst other things fits a water bottle pretty well, or alternately it seems to be a good fit for a JIB as well if the weather demands you have quick access to one. In addition it has two long compression straps that are just perfect for carrying around your tripod with you. Most compression straps on this pack comes with a velcro strap attached at the end so you can get rid of those annoying loose ends hanging around.

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The shoulder strap on the Evac Recon Sling is broad, and more than sufficiently padded to ensure comfort during long term use. Originally it comes set up to carry it over your right shoulder, but it took me less than two minutes to set it up for a right shoulder carry due to the inherent ambidextrious design of the pack. The back is padded to increase airflow and keep you cool whilst carrying it without a BA/Plate Carrier in between, but not as stiffly padded as to create discomfort when cinching the pack tight.
The strap itself has an adjustment strap to cinch the top of the pack closer to your body, along with the rubberized Hazard4 logo patch, a few rows of PALS webbing and a large quick-release buckle.

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Three nifty additional points to the strap system are the plastic clips fitted to the main shoulder strap below the quick release buckle that allows you to route straps, headphone cables or similar up along the strap, the wide D-Ring near the bottom of the strap, and the secondary strap that goes around your body and hooks into a D-ring on the main strap to increase stability.

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Now, to the left side, where all the action is.
Again, most of the pack's side is covered in three colums of PALS webbing, with just one zippered compartment that opens up directly into the main compartment of the pack.

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The main compartment has ample space, and as most go-bags take up the entire main body of the pack. It comes with four velcro dividers that can be put into the pack in pretty much any desireable combination to fit whatever you are carrying at the time. In addition, I have found that canteen pouch NVG inserts are great for larger zoom optics.

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The pack in this configuration carries the following camera equipment:
- Canon EOS 7D
- Olympus E-500
- 15-85mm lens
- 40-150mm lens
- 14-45mm lens
- 14-42mm lens
- 25mm lens
- Lens shade
- Flash unit

This is allready a good deal of equipment, but with some optimization I think you could stuff even more in there without any problems at all.



The top of the pack features a heavy duty rubberized carryhandle with a side release-buckle on one side, with the addition of a D-ring i.e. to hang it up in a vehicle or such.

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Once you open the quick release buckle, you gain entry to the top lid. In addition to letting you into the main compartment, ideal for quick access to your prefered camera, it has a pocket with internal organizers, both mesh and fabric.

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All in all, what I've seen from this bag thus far is purely amazing. The build quality is great, the padding is very thick and might even protect your equipment decently from the cold in winter time (though as with most things and cold, to a certain degree).
The ambidextrious design is great, swapping it around can be done in the field in a manner of minutes and even seems possible to do with gloves on. For the most part, the layout of the pockets is well thought out, and the velcro on the front of the pack for patches is a nice touch.

My main gripe with this pack has been the padded internal dividers it comes with. The velcro is very strong, and the fabric inside the pack attaches easily and has quite some give to it initially, so sectioning it up is a proper pain until you get the hang of it. This isn't an operation you'd be taking on often though, so the pros far outweigh the cons.
Available in both black and coyote, along with addons, pouches and accessories available from Hazard4, MOLLE compatability and a few really nifty solutions I can't see any reason not to recommend this to any photographer looking for a good tacticool and practicool way to carry his primary equipment.

All in all, this is a great product, and I'll be sure to update this review with further observations as I use it over time.

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 Post subject: Re: Hazard4 Evac Recon Pack
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:42 pm 
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Good review, but what's up with the NO PENICILLIN patch? To my knowledge you are not in the military, so you don't need that patch. And no one cares about blood patches or NO PEN patches anyways.

And in what situations are you going to use this bag with body armor?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:46 am 
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Every time I do something where there is potential hazard to me I lace up my boots with a little tag that says my blood type, emergency contacts, and allergies, I also wear something like dog tags. Have I needed it, not yet. Have I been places where I've see it be useful, definitely yes, and all of this without serving in the military, heck most of the time without driving 30mins from home.

Putting blood type and allergie indicators on your equipment is a good way to make sure first responders know exactly what they are dealing with. While Penn has been phased out of most places it is still used in some circumstances, as is latex, which is a common allergen. It would suck to be treating a patient for a gun shot wound only to have stabilize a severe reaction to latex or another allergen because "no-one cares about allergie indicators".

You also don't have to be in the military to ware body armor. Now that I own rifle plates I ALWAYS use them at the range, people are stupid, and I don't want to be injured from someone else's mistakes. On top of that he might play airsoft and know how some kit will behave on top of a PC. He's welcome to give his opinion in that, you don't have to live in kit, or depend on it, to know how it fits or carries itself.

On an added note I actually think Pkekyo is/was in his country's military


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 Post subject: Re: Hazard4 Evac Recon Pack
PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:10 am 
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Putting blood type and allergie indicators on your equipment is a good way to make sure first responders know exactly what they are dealing with.


With all due respect, blood type patches are not accepted as a valid blood type indicator most places. You will be given O Neg until the hospital has properly typed your blood. It doesn't take very long and is a handy safety precaution to avoid killing your patient because you trusted a blood type patch he bought online.

If you are given the wrong type of blood, it has severe consequences.

In our military they are even skeptical to the blood type listed on our dog tags.

When it comes to allergens and severe reactions, first responders, as well as hospitals have medications to counter that. Even a severe reaction like anaphylactic shock.

The use of antibiotics in prehospital treatment is allowed based on clinical finds and approval from a medical doctor, who is either on site or through your emergency dispatch. This is often based on the patients medical history and so forth. Antibiotics are usually administered at the hospital, due to the need for proper testing and mostly fast transportation times.

If antibiotics are administered, there are many other dangerous consequences other than an allergic reaction. Some antibiotics are dangerous for patients with renal problems, for example.

Penicillin allergy specifically is highly overdiagnosed, usually by the patients themselves, based on ractions that do not indicate allergy.

The use of antibiotics in a tactical field care situation, ie military operations, is used by medics to a certain degree after proper training and with approval from a medical doctor. At least that is the procedure in the norwegian military.

And like I said, it was a good review of the bag. There have just been a few posts from him that imply some sort of experience that he does not have. Like the forum states, don't try to pass yourself off as something you are not. That is why I am asking in what situations is he going to be wearing body armor.

And, unfortunately, we don't have the same possibilities for shooting for civilians here in Norway.


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 Post subject: Re: Hazard4 Evac Recon Pack
PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:26 pm 
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AGR416 wrote:

When it comes to allergens and severe reactions, first responders, as well as hospitals have medications to counter that. Even a severe reaction like anaphylactic shock.



Considering cardiac arrest and other cardiac related complications are a potential result of my codeine allergy, I think I'll continue to wear something saying I'm allergic to it. I'd rather not have later medical complications because I was to lazy to do something I've been told to do numerous times by medical professionals and rescue organizations.


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 Post subject: Re: Hazard4 Evac Recon Pack
PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:12 pm 
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Cool and complete review, than you Pkekyo.

AGR416 wrote:
And like I said, it was a good review of the bag. There have just been a few posts from him that imply some sort of experience that he does not have. Like the forum states, don't try to pass yourself off as something you are not. That is why I am asking in what situations is he going to be wearing body armor.

I just do PD and I'm writing a review of a pack I got... so because I'm not in the mil, I can't comment on how the fitment is over my CIRAS? Get over it! The pack could be used by people potentially getting shot at (PMC/mil/LEO), so even if the reviewer isn't himself, his opinion on the fitment with body armor is worth mentionning so someone who gets shot at for real has at least an idea when shopping for himself. If I say that the pack is unstable when worn over plates, it's useful info nomatter if my own experience is real world or airsoft.

For the blood type thing, I fully agree with Frogfish. I have my bloodtype and NKA written in my wallet and I always have a patch somewhere when hiking. If I'm in a situation where this gets useful (animal attack with blood loss, car accident, whatever), I have this. If a first responder chooses to ignore it as he has something universal, then it's useless. But I better have something useless, especially when it doesn't take space/weight like this, than need something I don't have.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:36 pm 
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Pkekyo wrote:
Originally I was looking at the Evac Rocket Sling, but found that I was likely to wear it over a BA or plate carrier and an internal hydration compartment would be unnecessary bulk, and that modularity would serve me a lot better than larger fixed pockets.
I guess that is what AGR reacts to, since it sounds pretty far-fetched that someone in Norway would wear armor when photographing, unless they are military.

So it isn't about the bag being comfy with armor, it's about a claim about pkekyo using it with armor...

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 Post subject: Re: Hazard4 Evac Recon Pack
PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:41 pm 
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I take photos of people PD'ing on occasion. When I do, I dress the part, with a helmet and body armor. I thought these forums were for all kinds of gear aficionados?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:05 pm 
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Alright guys, so here is how I see this thread:

1. OP posts a review of his pack
2. Guy jumps in and starts a discussion about medical stuff
3. Now, we get a discussion of how to stay in ones lane.

Basically;

1. The medical discussion is great - but is this the right thread?
2. What is your (everyones) context/frame of reference? AGR416 sounds like he knows a lot more about medical issues than me, but where is he coming from with this and where is Pkekyo coming from? This goes for everyone as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Hazard4 Evac Recon Pack
PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:17 pm 
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Whilst I do appreciate being informed that I am not allergic to penicillin, and that erring on the side of caution is stupid, it would be lovely if a moderator would clean up this thread.

Though I could be a nutter of a photographer that wears a BA everywhere, I have always been up front about me being an airsofter, and that I think the "Don't say the evil A-word" policy on this forum is utter bullshit.
I have never claimed to be serving, nor have I intended to give such an impression. Seeing as this apparently is of great interest to some people though, I am currently on my way in, and I do intend to make a career of it. And you know what? I'm going to be bringing my bag and camera with me.
Until then, I will be using it wherever I take my camera, which includes playing airsoft. For some further context, I am a civillian, I do not own an actual firearm, and I do have some medical training. It's not combat casualty training, but it gets me by just fine.

I realize that some people just don't like me, at least in part because of one of my hobbies. This is perfectly fine, but would you send me a PM rather than derailing the entire thread from the get-go so we can get back to discussing the gear, which is what this forum is supposed to be all about?



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:53 pm 
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First of all, you are allowed to say the A-word and PD as well. What we dont want on this board is airsoft discussion(like wich manufacturer makes the best MP7 or whatever) wich is clearly written in the rules.

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Second, if I was to look at your review from an objective point of view and base this on not knowing anything about you, there is no way I could tell what you are basing your conclusions on, be it time in the service, time as a war photographer or airsofter. Perhaps this fault lies on the forum and crew, and that we should require reviewers to include a brief description of themself and their backgroundd so that readers can take it for what its worth to them based on that information as well. If I read a review of a camera for instance, I know I would like to know what this guy really knows about cameras before I trust his review of this new and shiny body.

What do you guys think about this? From my personal experience dealing with a great latitude of people from all walks of life I know that professionals and hobby users(for lack of a better word) have vastly different views on equipment and the criteria they base their opinion on and this will also affect what people look for in a review and how you interpret what is written.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:10 pm 
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@Pkekyo; the medical discussion was with Frogfish, not you. Probably in the wrong section, as Danneskjold said.

I never said you were not allergic to penicillin, you might just be. A piece of friendly advice, not knowing to what extent you have pursued that diagnosis. If you have severe penicillin allergy, it could rule you out for service. If I were you, I would see my doctor and do a proper work up.

And the "no one cares about so and so patch" comment might have come across as a bit harsh. The intention of the post was to inform you that although alot of people wear those patches, medical personell do not accept them as valid indicators of medical conditions. At least in the Norwegian military and health services.

And although your intention is to not come across as something you're not, your "tone" in a few posts imply a certain amount of experience. Again, just an observation. An example was what essal pointed out, and what I reacted to.

@frogfish:

If you have a signed document by your doctor stating that you have codeine allergy, or wear an SOS capsule stating epilepsy or diabetes for example, is something TOTALLY different than wearing a patch bought on the internet. Now, I am not familiar with the american ambulance services, but I highly doubt that they have very different rules than we have here. You will not recieve blood or Antibiotics in the field or at the scene of an accident. Way too many factors making it too risky for the patient.

@Conker and others:

I am not familiar with "PD'ing".

And like essal stated, I reacted to the comment that he was de-facto going to be wearing it over body armor, not him commenting on how it rides over body armor.


And to answer the question on context/fram of reference:

I am a platoon sergeant (soon to be First Sergeant in my Company), in a recce unit, with nine years experience. I have what we call Level 3 Medical training from the norwegian military (it's the highest level of training you can receive without being a medical professional), as well as the Patrol Medic Course (run by the International Special Training Centre in Pfüllendorf). I have deployed to Kosovo and Afghanistan as a team medic.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:41 am 
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sorry about the prior tunnel quoting Simpen, I forgot where I was....

AGR, I see what you are saying now. Yes I have a classified allergy to morphine and its derived painkillers, Codeine being the only one still commonly found in the US. I have to have something on me that says so (well I don't have to but I would be stupid not to). I understand penn patches are kinda pointless, as is most everything else bought to be "gucciGear". But none-the less I have been educated to provide any info I can for first responders and it is up to them to determine what to do with it.


As for the discussion I'm having with AGR, it would not upset me to see it get deleted, even though it's interesting. If it is too off topic I am sorry, will desist, and if any sort of repercussions are necessary I will take them in stride.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:37 am 
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First I just want to say - thanks for the nice review. I was also looking at this pack, and the other Hazard4 stuff.
I just wonder how is the single-sling concept in practice. I've only ever used normal backpack straps, and wonder does the pack sit straight vertically when wearing, or at a slant? I think anything asymmetrical might start to bug me. But interested to hear more on your experience with it.


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