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 Post subject: Re: choosing NVG facemask/skullcrusher
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:04 pm 
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Just called Adams Industries about the Black Bag mount - it's $175, which is slightly more than a Crye NightCap with a Wilcox mount. I'd go with the Crye offering.


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 Post subject: Re: choosing NVG facemask/skullcrusher
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:56 pm 
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@pkm: out of curiosity, what don't you like with the skullcrusher (if I get this right that you're referencing the ops-core version, not the standard issue head harness)?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:00 pm 
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No, I mean the standard USGI model, both for ANVIS and -14/-7. I haven't tried the Ops-Core, but from looking at the pictures of it online I don't see a reason to. It looks bulky and to be honest I'd rather wear a bump helmet (ProTec or OpsCore) for the bulk.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:50 am 
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Update - just ordered a Black Bag head mount to compare to the Crye. This discussion got my brain juices running.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:34 am 
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Great. Waiting for feedback when you get it and try it out


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:27 pm 
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Oh and for you aor1 fans, they bbd harnes is available in aor1/desert digital... 8)

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 Post subject: Re: choosing NVG facemask/skullcrusher
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:53 pm 
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The Crye setup is plenty rigid enough for all current fielded NVG systems. I'm waiting on the BBD mount, it just shipped last week. Once it arrives I'll get the Crye cap back and do a side-by-side.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:32 am 
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Got the BBD system today. Initial impressions are positive, but like the Crye nightcap this is seriously over priced.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:22 pm 
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OK, had a chance to use this at a night shoot last night (forgot to bring my camera, sorry) and I've been walking around the fields looking like a retard with it. The Black Bag Design mount is decent, but it's not great. It's a webbing version of the skull crusher and as much as I hate to say it, it looks cheap.

I ran it with a Wilcox ANVIS mount w/ ANVIS. No counter weight, I haven't decided on one yet since I don't need it when I run my brain bucket. I liked that they used a USGI-standard mounting plate - it's a proven design. It's mounted to a kydex backing which is secured to the 3/4" webbing. There is no provision for a retention lanyard, so I added a Wilcox lanyard. After donning the harness it only took about a minute to get the straps adjusted. That being said, the harness design is NOT entirely stable. Turning my head resulted in 'goggle shift' side to side. Contrast this to the Crye Night Cap which was more solid and didn't shift as much. I'm regretting loaning it out now, I wish I could show you the difference.

Worth the money? The Crye nightcap with a Wilcox L4 three-hole shround costs the same amount of money shipped, but it's slightly more stable and provides a lanyard mounting solution. All things being equal, it's NOT a bad design, and I'll probably keep it for use in the field. That being said, a Pro-Tec with a shroud is a cheaper option, though far bulkier.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:02 pm 
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Honestly, that's what I've fallen back on. I've got a half-cut ProTec. I'll get pictures up of the NVG solutions today, I should have gotten some up yesterday, my apologies.

*edit - thought about this some more. The ProTec is NOT the best solution for things, the BBD or Crye mounts actually fill a good role for my uses. I spend a lot of time on an LZ or flight line without a cover and with ear pro (usually just my ComTacs), and for night time missions the night cap will end up being my go-to solution for NVG usage, since I don't need a brain bucket and don't want the bulk of a bump helmet.


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 Post subject: Re: choosing NVG facemask/skullcrusher
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:43 pm 
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I have to say after all the facemasks I have tried, I keep falling back to the litton one with a nice counter wight.

It may just be me thou lol.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:09 am 
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I heard very good things from friends on Litton Headset (with folding arm), Norotos facemask (basically an improved Litton design, my favorite one on paper) and Wilcox headmount.

A year ago, being short on budjet I decided to go the DIY way on this matter.
The idea was to create a platform based on an old balistic helmet chinstrap reinforced with plastic parts from a cut skate helmet.
My system is definitely not as good looking as a factory made headset, but I found it to be surprisingly efficient. Being higly confortable even after a few hours and very stable, I may keep it in the long run.
Once folded and the arm removed, it can fit into a saw pouch. The back plate can be used to hold a counterweight or strobe light.

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 Post subject: Re: choosing NVG facemask/skullcrusher
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:52 am 
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Great idea and solid design for a DIY project. Did you keep the helmet foam liner, or did you use something different?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:10 am 
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Honestly, the key part of the design lays in the chinstrap. The one I used is supposed to be worn without pads in the helmet shell. To do so, it features a built-in foam padding at the forehead position (the foam liner you mentioned) and a suspension net on top.
Horrible design on a helmet, but a perfect fit for my application.

My first try with a LWH chin strap was not what I call a success (even if better than the issued skull crusher).

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 Post subject: Re: choosing NVG facemask/skullcrusher
PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:03 pm 
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Haven't tried the Crye, but I have tried the others. The Litton and Norotos facemasks are good for heavy units, such as the PVS-7, as the cheek pads spread the weight around a little. They do get in the way of a good cheeckweld if you're using a PVS-14 over one eye and trying to aim with the other, though. The
Norotos packs down smaller but is quite expensive. Also, the rivets are soft (brass or aluminium?) and stretch if you pull the straps too tight.

I'm going to give the Crye a try as soon as I can get my hands on one, but I thing the Litton/Norotos will still be the go-to mount for heavier units. That said, any helmet beats the living daylights out of any of these, with the added bonus of actually protecting your noggin. Especially when you're getting used to NV you WILL keep bumping into hard/pointy stuff in the dark.


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