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 Post subject: choosing NVG facemask/skullcrusher
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:51 pm 
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I'm currently running a helmet, but would like to transition to some kind of facemask/skullcrusher to lighten the load on my head and lower the overall profile.
The NVG is a 14, with wilcox j-arm (dovetail).
I'm currently looking at:
-Litton facemask
-Norotos facemask
-Ops-core skullcrusher
-Crye nightcap
Features I require: no eye protection interference. Features that would be cool to have but not critical: headwear compatibility (smth. like a boonie hat on top), headset (bowman/TASC) compatibility.
Price or availability is not an issue, but I would like to hear some opinions from people who actually used the product before throwing down the cash.


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 Post subject: Re: choosing NVG facemask/skullcrusher
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:12 pm 
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I have the Litton version for PVS18/15.
Don't really like it and rather run a bump helmet.
But I am intrigued to try Cryes night cap, seems like a good option.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:06 pm 
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There is no way in hell I will ever run a skull crusher again. I picked up a Crye nightcap with a Wilcox aluminum shroud and it's straight money for slick NVG use. You'll want a counterweight though, it tends to ride forward with movement.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:02 am 
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There's also the Black Bag Designs/Adams Industries head harness. I have no experience with it so you'll have to do your research, but it's a possibility.

http://soldiersystems.net/2012/01/19/bl ... d-harness/

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:13 am 
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I've never seen that thing for sale. Not sure it's made it to commercial markets.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:56 am 
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Pkm, any more input on the nightcap ?
Is it comfortable to wear all through the night ?
Pros cons ?
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 Post subject: Re: choosing NVG facemask/skullcrusher
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:43 pm 
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I didn't wear it like an actual nightcap... :lol:

Longest duration was 4 hours with sporadic NVG use (they were mounted, but not always down) with an ANVIS setup (ground mount + LPBP). It takes a second to get used to, the feeling is kind of like a baseball cap but there's a night vision device hanging off of your head that feels like a unicorn horn. Dunno how to best describe it.

It's comfortable, minimal shifting (and that was because I had neglected a strap - have someone else check all straps if it's your first time with the system). I wasn't wearing eyepro, so not sure how it'll interact with shooting glasses or goggles, and I didn't have commo on either, so no answer there.

It's on loan to a friend right now, when it gets back I'll get some photos of it. I don't have the same ANVIS mounting setup any more so I need to make a counterweight for it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:22 pm 
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On blackbag designs, they make a very nice product. But caveat emptor, I and a buddy ordered several of their products over a year and 3 months ago. Even after multitudes of e-mails and countless promises on the side of BBD we have still neither gotten our mounts nor a refund.

If you are looking for one of their mounts I'd suggest you'd buy from adams industries instead of BBD directly. AA is one stand up company.

I'm actually waiting for the Dutch crye dealer to have nightcaps in stock, I plan on running an anvis setup on mine (wilcox ground spec goggle mount with an l3 gpnvg battery pack and s&s ir v-lite or manta at the back). I'll post some pics once I get mine in.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:00 pm 
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Caveat on the Night Cap that I just remembered on my way in - it sucks in the cold. I was using it in 15 degree (F) weather in a windy open field and it was pretty brutal, since wearing a fleece cap with it is hit or miss (based on the cap's bulk). I ended up wearing an Outdoor Research cap under it, but the slick material caused some slippage. I think the Black Bag Designs one, if it exists ( :lol: ) is a better all-weather solution. If Crye released a fleece-lined nightcap, or someone added the fleece, it would work a lot better.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:07 pm 
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@PKM since you have a nightcap in hand, does it have pre drilled holes? According to crye's description it's for both warcom and 4 hole aviation pattern mounts. :?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:09 pm 
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Not pre-drilled, but pre-marked. Basically they took a small laser or something and marked the holes - Crye's manual tells you to open them up with an X-Acto knife.

I got mine from a group order and the guy who placed the order already opened them up for us and installed the mounts so I'm not sure what they looked like before.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:32 pm 
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Good info pkm.
I consider the Crye NightCap (so you don't drag personal night attire wearing habits into this again I) ) the only semi decent alternative to a helmet, when it comes to nvg mounting.
This could save me the trouble of hauling the helmet all throughout the day, only for night use.
As for eyepro, there's allways low pro models as the ESS supressor.


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 Post subject: Re: choosing NVG facemask/skullcrusher
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:24 pm 
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pkm200901 wrote:
Not pre-drilled, but pre-marked. Basically they took a small laser or something and marked the holes - Crye's manual tells you to open them up with an X-Acto knife.


Interesting, mine didn't have that.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:51 pm 
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No clue dude. Ours had small witness marks. Here's the manual:
http://www.cryeprecision.com/Resources/ ... Manual(Web).pdf


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:44 pm 
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Thanks for the info, going for the nightcap.


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