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 Post subject: crye airframe vs opscore
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:51 pm 
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ive heard so much about both these brands and i know ops core has won several tenders.

any news on the crye helmets and whether they are being used by the armed forces?

i think the crye helmet is more breathable but im not sure how it compares with the ops-core.

any comparisons?


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 Post subject: Re: crye airframe vs opscore
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:16 pm 
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I've got both and prefer the ops core, however i'm not a huge fan of their dial liner suspension.

The airframe isn't that suitable for larger heads. If you are going to get one be sure to get a large size.

Weigth wise the airframe is lighter. However there is documentation that the airframe doesn't meet certain crush tests.

As you noted the ops core has been adopted by various agency's and branches. Such as afsoc and the army's awg.

Devgru has the ops core maritime helmet on issue, this is a 2001 cut.

Rumour has it there is a one army unit that has adopted the airframe. There are several pictures of hrt members wearing the airframe.

I guess it all comes down the preference.

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:32 pm 
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I have handled both and I vastly prefer the Airframe. I am not a fan of the Occ-dial suspension in the Ops-Core.

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:57 pm 
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the occ dial, seems to be a love it or hate it. on the base jump, in an XL, i didn't mind it, but much less weight. and that accompanied with the holes in the base jump, i could feel a tremendous difference in body heat escaping easily. the ops core ballistic however, i hated it. with the weight of lid, plus nods, and accessories, it really killed my temples. i also feel that the sizes are not the same. i can't confirm, but personal feel, the ballistic felt a little smaller. and the cooling was non existent. as well as if you plan on ear pro muff style, thats something to consider. i have since gone to wendy epic pads in my ballistic with an H-Nape, and I'm content. id like to try the epic Air though... I've tried the air frame, and i just can't fit my head in one. and i feel "crowded" around the back of my head, near the neck. especially if you have a pack of hot dogs back there...


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:21 am 
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I don't own either (though should hopefully be picking up a Ops-Core FAST Base Jump soon) but can echo what the others have said, and what you've likely read.

The Crye fits small, but is generally considered more breathable than the Ops-Core. More people seem to prefer the Crye to the FAST (if they can fit their heads in it) if they've own both.

As for who's using the Crye; US Army SOF have been pictured in it, as have both British and Australian SAS.


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 Post subject: Re: crye airframe vs opscore
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:36 am 
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http://www.militarymorons.com/gear/crye5.html

the airframe does seem to be the lighter and more breathable of helmets.

"The AirFrame has the Ops-Core Head-Loc H-nape strap retention system, which offers better stability and comfort than the standard ACH strap system."

just curious to know why would ops-core allow crye to use their retention system?
arent they rivals?lol


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:30 am 
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Because that way, even if Crye sells their helmets, they're still getting money from each sale?

And I'm pretty sure that Crye and MSA pays royalties to OPS-Core for their ARC-compatible rails.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:24 am 
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I believe that MSA actually sold the rail patent to ops-core, as they (MSA) contracted them first to produce it (and later didn't follow through with this concept).

As for the initial question, pretty much everything has been said. Ops-core are considered more stable when used with NVGs thanks to the head loc system, however Crye are lighter and comfier.

On a side note, I have both, and eventhough I'm also cursed with the big head syndrome (7 3/4 or 61cm), I didn't have too much trouble fitting my head in the L size airframe with 3/4 wendy pads. With L/XL Epic Air, it's even better (obviously that means less padding, consequently less impact protection).

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:36 pm 
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good comparison guys.
since we are discussing helmets here i found this brand too..anyone using it?

http://www.unitedshield.com/sprint_ballistic_helmet.htm
http://www.unitedshield.com/documents/issue5.pdf


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:01 pm 
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We're supposed to get some in a few days to test them. It seems to me that they are just an OEM 2001 with ops-core accessories, so no ground breaking stuff here. However, I understand that they are also significantly cheaper than Ops-Core and Crye...

Look for Revision helmets as well, based on the Batlskin design, they seem to be promising...

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:31 pm 
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jack.traven wrote:
We're supposed to get some in a few days to test them. It seems to me that they are just an OEM 2001 with ops-core accessories, so no ground breaking stuff here. However, I understand that they are also significantly cheaper than Ops-Core and Crye...


Looking forward to hearing from you about that ! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: crye airframe vs opscore
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:01 am 
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I had an opportunity to compare both FAST and AF helmets. I would give my thumbs up to FAST as the OccDial liner is more stable than pads (but Team Wendy pads are more comfortable in my oppinion) and it has lower profile - wearing the AF I felt like with hydrocephaly... Weight differences are minimal.

Some write up's in Polish, found over the web

http://www.special-ops.pl/artykul/id222 ... t-ops-core
http://www.equipped.pl/crye-precision-airframe-helmet/


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 Post subject: Re: crye airframe vs opscore
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:04 pm 
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Hasn't Gentex recently bought out Ops core?

If so I'm sure the gap between the FAST and 2001 will only get smaller! :?


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 8:41 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: crye airframe vs opscore
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:09 pm 
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Yes Gentex bought them but the agreement was for OpsCore to operate the exact same way to include continuing to purchase their ballistic shells from a major industry competitor to Gentex..So not much has changed at OpsCore except they have all the resources and deep pockets that are assocated with a large company like Gentex.


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