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 Post subject: Re: Real Ops-Core FAST XP High Cut?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:42 am 
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Cam-Fit what is this? I have been thinking about getting a luxliner for my ops-core, but would this Cam-fit thing be a more sound option for a normal infantry man?


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 Post subject: Re: Real Ops-Core FAST XP High Cut?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:31 pm 
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When I bought this helmet, I was wondering where the Ops-core sticker was. I figured it just wore off. After removing the pads to clean them, I found the helmet sticker, but it's not Ops-core! It has the Ops-core embedded logo in the shell, but says it's a Seamless Ballistic Shell by Ceradyne. Anyone seen this before?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:46 pm 
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http://soldiersystems.net/2011/09/08/ops-core-wins-norwegian-helmet-contract/
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The FAST helmet boasts a ballistic shell developed during a multi-year collaboration effort between Ops-Core, Ceradyne and DSM Dyneema. Ceradyne, the sub-contractor who molds the shell, has a special seamless processing technique using Dyneema™s ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene material that yields outstanding ballistic protection at lower weights.


It's an Ops-Core.

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 Post subject: Re: Real Ops-Core FAST XP High Cut?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:02 pm 
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Thanks essal.

BTW, I meant "Ops-core" not Crye. I have Crye on the brain LOL I'll edit my post.

Has Ceradyne always made the shell for the Ops-core FAST? I was just surprised to see a Ceradyne sticker and not an Ops-core one.


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Most likely I'd guess.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:31 am 
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Yes, shells are still manufactured by Ceradyne.


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FWIW, Gentex is now producing the vast majority of Ops-core ballistic shells. They actually managed to save another 10% of total weight across the board while maintaining the same ballistic properties as the Ceradyne made shells.

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I take that to mean that Ceradyne licensed their ballistic design to Gentex to use? Or Gentex has taken Ceradyne's design and improved upon it?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:16 am 
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Depends what you call ballistic design. If talking about the actual components used to produce their shells, I wouldn't know for sure, and I don't see Ops-core disclosing that sort of information.

My personnal assumption would be that Gentex made their own recipe based on experience gained with Ceradyne, managing to shave off another 10% of weight in the process. Doing so, I don't see them licensing anything with Ceradyne but then again I could be wrong.

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I'd guess that the actual shape of the shell is Ops-Cores IP, and not Ceradynes.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:21 pm 
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Ah, so most likely a Gentex helmet in FAST shape, but Gentex ballistic design that actually improves upon Ceradyne in weight (assuming equal ballistics). Like Gentex copying the MSA TC 2000 design of old. That makes sense.

From what I understood from what I've read, is that the ballistics of the Ops-core helmets was the Ceradyne seamless ballistic technology, not an Ops-core design. Ops-core just came up with the shape. I believe the new Army/Marine ECH is made from the Ceradyne seamless ballistics, just in the TC 2000 shape. I would expect that Gentex will probably join the race with their own new "ECH" now as well.


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In an old swat article it was mentioned that a company called artisent had two projects going.

One was a improved helmet strap system per request of a tier 1 unit, the other was a ballistic helmet also per request of another tier 1 unit.

In the case of the helmet most ballistic materials manufacturers deemed the project no economically viable due to the small number of helmets being produced.
Thus artisent started the company that is now know as ops core and subcontracted the shells to cerayne.

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In this article by Soldier Systems, the below is stated.

"The FAST helmet boasts a ballistic shell developed during a multi-year collaboration effort between Ops-Core, Ceradyne and DSM Dyneema. Ceradyne, the sub-contractor who molds the shell, has a special seamless processing technique using Dyneema's ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene material that yields outstanding ballistic protection at lower weights."

So Ceradyne currently molds the shell using their seamless processing technique using Dyneema material. I guess that means that Gentex will now mold the shell using a processing technique of their own using Dyneema material or something else. I was under the mistaken impression that the ballistics was Ceradyne's, but it's apparently just how they processed the dyneema.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:00 pm 
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Yep, the ballistic composition is Dyneema's. Ceradyne just made molded it to Ops-Core's specs. Ops-Core, since it was bought by Gentex in 2012, is now completely vertically integrated in manufacturing and distribution. Raw materials still come from Dyneema. Gentex has been making the helmets since late 2012.


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