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 Post subject: "inexpensive" high-cut legit helmet?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:43 pm 
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I'm debating getting a 2001 high-cut lid for CQB use, but I can't afford to spend $1000+ for a FAST helmet. I would need it to fit the ACH ARC rails though.

I've done some looking around and have found some less expensive alternatives and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them. Thanks.

Kejo SF MK III - $573 (comes with rails and shroud, not sure if Opscore tho)
Kejo SF MK II - $342 (no rails or shroud included)

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Rabintex ACH-3 - $650+ s&h (comes with Opscore rails and shroud)
Rabintex ACH-3 - $375+ s&h (no rails or shroud included)

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Max Pro Gunfighter - $530+ s&h (comes with custom Opscore rail and Wilcox shroud)
Max Pro Gunfighter - $320+ s&h (no rails or shroud included)
(Max Pro = Ceradyne)

Botach Tactical
United Spec-Ops Delta - $650+ s&h (comes with rails and shroud, not sure if Opscore)
United Spec-Ops Delta - $325+ s&h (no rails or shroud)

Tactical Advantage (entrygear)
Battlewear Viper ACH F7 - $725+ s&h (Ops core rails, shroud and H-harness)
(Battlewear = RBR now)

And then there is the OM Tactical ACH-3 (not sure if rails will fit)

Of all these, I only know of the Rabintex brand being officially used in the Army. Kejo is a brand I know SOF have purchased. And Battlewear Viper looks to be GSA approved.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:02 pm 
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If you see a Kejo lid, run as fast as you can in the opposite direction.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:26 pm 
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That's strike one for Kejo. lol Thanks for the feedback. Did you have bad experience with one yourself, or just know of issues with their lids?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:29 pm 
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Let's just say that they have not performed very well during ballistic testing....


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:40 pm 
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I wonder if Kejo has improved their ballistics.

Here's an example of a tested helmet on their site.
http://www.bodyarmorcompany.com/retail/ ... pt=Helmets


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:43 pm 
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I've owned three or four of the Kejo lids myself.
In honesty, the best basis for comparison would be a chinese replica helmet, imho.


That, and people like AGR who have been issued these keep bringing up that they have...less than favorable ballistic properties...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:51 pm 
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I would stay away from anything Botach. Rabintex is GTG as well as OM Tactical. No experience with the others, although I haven't heard of any issues with RBR.

You are set on getting a new helmet? Otherwise it might be financially interesting to keep an eye out for used helmets, if you're lucky you can even find FAST helmets in that price range.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:26 pm 
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Okay, so Kejo is off my list. Rabintex has been my front runner. I have been keeping an eye out for an actual Opscore FAST and I have yet to see one go for less than $900. I think the fact they’re back-ordered keeps them in high demand on eBay.

Next to Rabintex, I’m interested to hear any reviews on the Ceradyne Max Pro lids. But Rabintex has years of IDF testing going for it. It seems to me that Rabintex is like the Gentex of Israel.

Thanks for the info guys!


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:11 am 
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FYI Kejo, Global Armor and one other brand (which I cannot remember since I've had a few beers) are the same helmets. Kejo is just an import, and they are all made in South Africa afaik.

That said, I've never seen any actual proof of Kejo/GA helmets being crap, or withstanding less than what they're rated for (during a proper test). But their rating appears to be an NIJ 04 and not the latest 06 standard.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:05 am 
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That's a good point about the latest NIJ standards. I believe all my TC 2000 cut lids are old NIJ 04. I have a foliage green MSA that might be 06. The date sticker is covered up by the velcro sticker.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:35 am 
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Trust me guys, the Kejo helmets are not up to PAR when measured against helmets like Ops Core, Crye or MSA helmets.

The Kejo helmets were never tested when acquired by the Norwegian mil for deploying troops. The initial reason for the procurement was as a ballistic alternative to the issued crash helmet, and it spread from there.

It went head to head against the Ops Core FAST and MSA Gallet helmets, as well as others, during the tender for a new combat helmet for the Norwegian mil. It did not perform well, and did not pass a number of tests.

Also, remember that NIJ Ballistic testing is just one protocol, and that protocol is NOT the end-all, be-all armor test protocol. NIJ Level IIIA rates it to stop .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum. Nothing more. It says nothing about it's ability to pass the MIL-STD-622/STANAG 2920 test, or other test requirements for military grade body armor. There are some weaknesses wrt the NIJ test protocols.

I'm not saying that it isn't ballistic rated, I'm saying that there are better, proven performers out there.

BTW, I was never issued one, I used the MSA TC-3002 on my deployment. Some people in our team wanted the Kejo helmets,probably for the SF look. Me and another guy stopped that dead in it's tracks.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:47 am 
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Botach has been good to me as long as it's purchased through their eBay store. Avoid purchasing from their website. It's weird, but they have unreliable stock and much longer delays on their website while it's G2G on eBay.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:59 am 
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Didn't read everything above but what about the fast like helmets on eBay?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:11 pm 
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Why not get a used tc2002 or 01 and put some rails and a wilcox or norotos mount on it. That said ownthenight and ceradyne sell ballistic helmet packages that have the rails, suspension and either a 1 hole or warcom mount.

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