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 Post subject: Re: "inexpensive" high-cut legit helmet?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:07 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: "inexpensive" high-cut legit helmet?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:05 am 
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joe_mamma, can those “FAST style” helmets be trusted? They just made me suspicious. That said, I ran across a United Shield Sprint FAST clone helmet. It looks pretty legit and probably a sweet option.

wimpie, I am on the lookout for used 2001s but I am looking for ones in close to new condition. I also understand though that the rails do not fit the 2001s right, which is keeping me away from them. I am considering the Ceradyne (aka Max Pro), but am waiting to hear good reviews on them before I go for it.

The purpose of my post is to gather a list of the GTG high-cut brands that will fit the ARC rails and then choose.

Cliff, I’d prefer not to cut up a 2000.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:03 pm 
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Here's a couple side questions.

1. Can a Comtac ARC kit be used on a TC 2002 cut helmet? I didn't think so until I saw a pic of an OpsCore mid-cut helmet showing the Comtac ARC attached. I've never seen that configuration on a 2002 tho.

2. Can a headband Comtac III be converted to use as an ARC style by simply removing the headband? I looked at mine and I'm not sure the wire connecting the earcups is as long as the Comtac ARC I once looked at.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:47 am 
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I just cut open the leather cover the wire was going through on my Comtac IIs, and the wire is more than long enough, at least when I run it inside my helmet, underneath the pads.
The wire is so long that I can pop the Comtacs out and twist them 90 degrees backwards when not in use.

That said, I have not done this with the Comtac IIIs.

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 Post subject: Re: "inexpensive" high-cut legit helmet?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:19 am 
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There's a real good chance the wire is as long on the IIIs as IIs, so thanks for the info.

Okay, so after reading the feedback here and doing more internet research, I’ve narrowed it down to two helmets.

Front runner – United Shield Spec-Ops Delta : http://www.unitedshield.com/images/delta.jpg
- I like that it appears to have the same coverage of a FAST, if not identical.
- Cost is $585 in tan, or $635 in multicam.

Runner-up – Max Pro/Ceradyne Gunfighter: http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/alternateforce_2258_2848
- I like that it’s made by Ceradyne and seems to be made of advanced materials similar to the new ECH
- Cost is $530 in tan

I have not settled on which one exactly yet. Thanks everyone for your input!

[Edited typo, changed Gunrunner to Gunfighter]


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:24 am 
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Bear with me, I haven't seen any ballistic testing done on those two helmets.
However, having handled the United Shield helmets, I wasn't overall impressed with their products. Chinstrap is terrible, I'm not even really sure the rails and shroud are genuine ops-core stuff, and the finish was less than stellar, to put it mildly.
All that plus the fact that I didn't find much track record of those helmets would make me stay away from it.

On the other hand, Ceradyne has proven track records and offers genuine rails/shroud stuff (with velcro too!!). From the look of it, you may have to change the chin strap, but otherwise, it looks gtg.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:12 am 
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jack.traven wrote:
Bear with me, I haven't seen any ballistic testing done on those two helmets.
However, having handled the United Shield helmets, I wasn't overall impressed with their products. Chinstrap is terrible, I'm not even really sure the rails and shroud are genuine ops-core stuff, and the finish was less than stellar, to put it mildly.
All that plus the fact that I didn't find much track record of those helmets would make me stay away from it.


I had seen the ballistic test result for the USI Sprint in accordance with Polish PN-V-87001:2011 ballistic standard which is based on Stanag 2920 but a bit more rigoristic, especially in the subject BFI. Sprint has passed those tests.

Also, USI is offering Team Wendy retrofits for some of their helmets as a replacement for the crappy chinstraps. Not sure about the shroud and rails - will let you know next week.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:17 am 
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Would be happy to learn about that.

I do have some ballistic datas provided by United Shield (mostly STANAG 2920/ACH Frag and crappy NIJ 010601-like tests), but would have prefered to see some actual small caliber threat tests with BFD measurements. Then again, this is for my line of work (LE), when others would mostly (if not only) consider V50 frag measurements.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:54 pm 
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Jack, thanks for your feedback! Have you handled the Spec-Ops Delta, or United Shield helmets in general?

What is listed for the following helmets:
US Spec-Ops Delta
- New Team Wendy EPIC Air pad and comfort liner
- Full NIJ Level IIIA coverage including .44 magnum
- High Fragmentation Protection Protection against fragments from V50 1480 ft./sec (450 m/sec) to V50
2300 ft./sec (700 m/sec) according to STANAG 2920 (17gr FSP) and US MIL STD 662F.
- Aramid, PE or hybrid construction
http://www.unitedshield.com/delta_ballistic_helmet.htm

I would definitely replace the harness

Max Pro Gunfighter
- Team Wendy CamFit
- Custom OpsCore Rails
- Wilcox single-hole mount
- Meets or exceeds the NIJ Level IIIA Ballistic standard
for penetration, and meets a minimum of 650 mps V-50 for 17 grain (1.1 gram) tested according
to STANAG 2920.
- Thermoplastic Aramid and Glass Fabric Composites
http://www.maxpropolice.com/SpecSheets/ ... Helmet.pdf

I would probably replace the pads, perhaps with TW EPIC Air pads.

If the Max Pro had the OpsCore cut, it would be hands down the winner for me. I'm still undecided.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:56 pm 
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B-rad,

that was the delta we played with. However the ballistic datas provided came from older models, so I can't comment on the current performances of that helmet in particular. It might be interesting to know which V50 measurement belongs to Stanag 2920, and which belongs to MIL STD, in order to get a clear comparison base (1480 ft./sec feels really low for a 17gr FSP projectile).

May I ask why you would prefer a FAST clone over a seemingly similarly shaped proprietary design? Add-on ops-core accessories compatibility?

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Yes, that and I like the slightly better side protection provided by a FAST design (more comparable with a 2002 from what I understand). I'd consider a 2002 cut, but they are rarer and I don't think they will allow for a Comtac III ARC setup.

The Max Pro seems to be more of a 2001/Maritime cut, which ultimately will be fine if there are enough cons to the US Delta.

I will tell ya the fact that the Max Pro is of Ceradyne quality really keeps it in the running.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:55 am 
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Well, all said and done, I ended up going with the Rabintex ACH-3 Air Crew helmet. Below are some pics, I know the details don't show much about the helmet itself as it's covered in gear, but I didn't feel like removing the gear just for the pics.

I got it at Arms Unlimited:
http://www.armsunlimited.com/Rabintex-A ... ircrew.htm

They swapped out the VAS for the Wilcox L4 at my request.

The overall external quality looks top notch. It has been dipped in multicam but I bought a cover from Specopshop.
http://www.specopshop.com/product_info. ... cts_id=101

There's one in multicam on eBay right now so you can see it without the cover.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rabintex-ACH-3- ... 2a31839e58

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Thanks again everyone for the feedback!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:57 am 
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2002 will accept the rails depending on who made it. My issue 2002 took them fine but the rails hang off a bit.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:25 am 
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Oh, one thing I liked about this Rabintex Air Crew is the Rails fit very nicely with no overhang. This one is a size Large, so I can't comment on the fit for a size medium.

I'm actually really impressed with the fit and quality of this helmet. I'm very pleased with the purchase. 8)


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:49 pm 
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Did those pads come with or are those Epic Air? Thanks.

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